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  1. IBM announces WebSphere 6.0 (a.k.a. Vela) (42 messages)

    IBM formally announced the next major release of WebSphere, also called Vela, which company officials see as an integral building block for both its ongoing SOA (service-oriented architecture) and on-demand strategies.

    There are many upgrades, including a newly written from scratch JMS service.
    "I have been saying that ESBs are not single products but an evolving architectural pattern. It has to support existing messaging paradigms like MQ. So this continues to add to the ESB capabilities that already exist, and it moves us down the line for supporting newer Web services standards," Sutor said.

    The product now contains a wizards-based drag-and-drop environment designed to automate the more laborious steps involved in development and deployment. By eliminating hand-coding, IBM officials estimate that developers can reduce the number of programming steps needed to build an application by as much as 75 percent. The new drag-and-drop environment also allows developers to build and test applications once and deploy them on multiple systems, a company representative said.

    One of the reported strengths of the new version, according to company officials, is its capability of protecting applications against Internet outages by automatically detecting problems, from small network glitches to power failures, and then in a few seconds save and process Web-based transactions.

    The company has also added a handful of autonomic capabilities to the product. In the case of an outage, Version 6.0 automatically redirects data to a different designated fail-over server, which could be within the same datacenter. In more catastrophic cases, it will move the data to a different physical location.

    As a way of improving its support for Web services standards that enable more automated and less hand-coded computing, Version 6.0 now supports WS-Security, which authenticates communications among Web servers; WS-Transactions, which ensures that Web services transactions are delivered consistently; and WS-I Basic Profile 1.1, which enables Web services to work together as a single solution.

    In another announcement, IBM unveiled WebSphere Application Server Express, which is aimed primarily at small and midsize businesses and is to be sold through ISVs and VARs. The company also unveiled WebSphere Extended Deployment Version 5.1, which can automatically optimize the performance of an IT shop's hardware and software on an on-demand basis.

    Sutor said new versions of IBM's WebSphere Studio Site Developer and WebSphere Studio Application Developer are scheduled to be available by the end of this year. The products will be renamed Rational Web Developer for WebSphere Software and Rational Application Developer for WebSphere Software, respectively
    Read: IBM delivers WebSphere 6.0

    Threaded Messages (42)

  2. Will Websphere 6.0 implement JSR 235, 236, and 237?

     http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=235 - Service Data Objects

     http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=236 - Timer for Application Servers

     http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=237 - Work Manager for Application Servers
  3. if u search for new features in OLD WINE IN NEW BOTTLE with some bug fixes
  4. Paper release?[ Go to top ]

    Is the trial available for download or the product documentation up on the web?
  5. JSR 235/236/237[ Go to top ]

    Will Websphere 6.0 implement JSR 235, 236, and 237? http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=235 - Service Data Objects http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=236 - Timer for Application Servers http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=237 - Work Manager for Application Servers
    WebSphere 6.0 has implementations of these functions, though since the JSRs are still in progress the package names are different from the official JSR package names. For example instead of javax.xyz it's commonj.xyz (implements the spec proposal published in conjunction with BEA).

    Randy Schnier
    WebSphere Development
  6. Will Websphere 6.0 implement JSR 235, 236, and 237? http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=235 - Service Data Objects http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=236 - Timer for Application Servers http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=237 - Work Manager for Application Servers
    I seem to remember that I've seen "Work Manager for Application Servers" in WAS5.

    So, I guess they will continue this tradition and include it in WAS6.
  7. Work Manager / AsyncBeans[ Go to top ]

    I seem to remember that I've seen "Work Manager for Application Servers" in WAS5.So, I guess they will continue this tradition and include it in WAS6.
    If you used AsyncBeans in V5 Enterprise Edition (it was not part of base edition until now) then WorkManager will look familiar, yes. Although some of the API aspects have been tweaked to conform with the common IBM-BEA published spec.

    Randy Schnier (IBM)
  8. Websphere Studio...[ Go to top ]

    Has IBM announced a release date for Websphere Studio 6.0?
  9. Websphere Studio...[ Go to top ]

    I heard that new versions of IBM's WebSphere Studio would be scheduled to be available by the end of this year.
  10. Re: Websphere Studio...[ Go to top ]

    WebSphere Application Server 6.0 and Rational Application developer for WebSphere V6.0 actually
  11. Atlantic products[ Go to top ]

    As on 6 October, IBM has announced a rebrand of WebSphere Studio products to be under Rational. I believe they will be part of Rational Atlantic products which will be announced on 12 October.
  12. Atlantic products[ Go to top ]

    As on 6 October, IBM has announced a rebrand of WebSphere Studio products to be under Rational. I believe they will be part of Rational Atlantic products which will be announced on 12 October.
    Websphere Studio Application Developer has a new name:

      "IBM Rational Application Developer for WebSphere Software"

    http://www3.software.ibm.com/ibmdl/pub/software/rational/web/whitepapers/was_faq.pdf

    http://www-306.ibm.com/software/info/developer/radrwd/index.jsp

    http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/developer/application/
  13. I hope migration from WAS 5.1 to WAS 6.0 will be easier or at least properly documented.
  14. Too little too late[ Go to top ]

    I wasted away through the WebSphere 3.5 - 4.x days. Talk about software that should never have been released! I'll never go back to that crap. I hear that new versions are better but old wounds close slowly...
  15. How long can IBM continue to be so far behind the spec releases? With J2EE 1.3 they were a year behind the competition. The spec for J2EE 1.4 was itself delayed almost a year, for which there should have been plenty of time to position the software for an early release once the spec was finalized. But no, IBM's once again taking forever. Latest I heard was early 2005.
  16. What???[ Go to top ]

    What are you talking about? Websphere 6.0 Application server is set to be released before the end of the year and it supports J2EE 1.4. The prevue release has been out for months now, so if anyone wanted to use the J2EE 1.4 spec with Websphere application server you could (if you don't mind beta code).

    Where is the BEA J2EE 1.4 release? What about Oracle? IBM is actually pretty fast on hte ball with this version. Granted in the past it did take them an awefully long time to release their versions, but ever since version 5 things have really changed.
  17. Link to Websphere Beta release of v6[ Go to top ]

    Here's a link to the Developer Prevue release that has been available form IBM for some time:

    http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/downloads/WASTD6Support.html
  18. What???[ Go to top ]

    What are you talking about? Websphere 6.0 Application server is set to be released before the end of the year and it supports J2EE 1.4.
    At their WebSphere conference last week they said early 2005.
    The prevue release has been out for months now, so if anyone wanted to use the J2EE 1.4 spec with Websphere application server you could (if you don't mind beta code).

    Well, that's the thing. Our company don't deploy beta sofware. Maybe yours do?
    Where is the BEA J2EE 1.4 release? What about Oracle? IBM is actually pretty fast on hte ball with this version. Granted in the past it did take them an awefully long time to release their versions, but ever since version 5 things have really changed.
    Sure, it's just that there's been plenty of time since 1.3 and not that much changed in the 1.4 spec during it's year long delay.
  19. What???[ Go to top ]

    I was a presenter at this conference. The announcement said before the end of the year. As does the press announcement
  20. What???[ Go to top ]

    I was a presenter at this conference. The announcement said before the end of the year. As does the press announcement
    Well, I hope so. One of my colleagues went, and he was told "early 2005".
  21. What???[ Go to top ]

    I was a presenter at this conference. The announcement said before the end of the year. As does the press announcement
    Well, I hope so. One of my colleagues went, and he was told "early 2005".
    I was at the Websphere conference and all the presentations I attended said late 2004 (actually "before the end of the year" was the official statement).

    And since your company doesn't implement Beta software which J2EE 1.4 server do you use?
  22. What???[ Go to top ]

    All I want to know is if I still need to go through 35 clicks to deploy a connection pool ;-)

    (how many times to I have to say "yes" to save configuration)?

    On a more serious note, has anything fundamentally changed with its clustering implementation?

    The amount of palava we have to go through to set up a cluster seems rather inordinate.
    Wherever possible, I prefer a zip-based installation (install & configure once - then clone via zip). However, with so much config and so many directories that pin an installation to a given server, this is practically impossible with Websphere... :-(
    Its a real pita for our production support....

    I would much prefer the JBoss/Weblogic approach that cluster members are anonymous "slaves" and download their config from the master server (the deployment manager)...

    -Nick
  23. What???[ Go to top ]

    And since your company doesn't implement Beta software which J2EE 1.4 server do you use?
    WAS 5.1, which is why I'm so impatient.
  24. What???[ Go to top ]

    I have a bad feeling WebSphere 6.0 will sit atop IBM's current JDK 1.4 which does not support debugging with the JIT enabled as with Sun's HotSpot. So that means developers with the latest and greatest WebSphere 6.0 will still be debugging using System.out.println()'s in 2005!!

    This to me is WebSphere's biggest disadvantage compared to Weblogic which fully supports Sun's JDK 1.4.x with HotSpot as well as it's own JRocket JVM. The same for the other J2EE servers on the market (Oracle, Sun's, JBOSS, etc.).

    That and IBM's embrace and extend of J2EE. Try using WASD and then porting to another J2EE server. Good luck.

    But since I'm currently on a contract where the site uses WebSphere I look forward to 6.o release if only for WASD built upon Eclipse 3.0!
  25. Debugging with WSAD & WebSphere 5.1[ Go to top ]

    IBM's Java SDK 1.4.x, as used in WebSphere 5.1 & WSAD 5.1.1, does provide debugging with the JIT enabled, when running with the Xj9 option enabled.
    This mode also provides for "hot code replace".

    I use this mode of the IBM Java SDK regularly and it works just fine for me.
    So I hope that you will be able to leave behind your System.out.println()'s!


    Yours, Mike.
  26. Debugging with WSAD & WebSphere 5.1[ Go to top ]

    IBM J9 JVM with hot code replacement and JIT enabled is available also for WAS 4.0 (JDK 1.3.1)

    From WSAD console:

    WebSphere AEs 4.0.7 ptf70339.05 running with process name localhost/Default Server and process id 516
    Java version = J2RE 1.3.1 IBM J9 build 20030915 (JIT enabled), Java Compiler = j9jit21, Java VM name = IBM J9SE VM

    Ciao, Dario.
  27. IBM J9 JVM with hot code replacement and JIT enabled is available also for WAS 4.0 (JDK 1.3.1)From WSAD console:WebSphere AEs 4.0.7 ptf70339.05 running with process name localhost/Default Server and process id 516Java version = J2RE 1.3.1 IBM J9 build 20030915 (JIT enabled), Java Compiler = j9jit21, Java VM name = IBM J9SE VMCiao, Dario.
    I'm actually using WASD 5.1 against a WAS 4.0 server so this is great news. I didn't even know this was possible with WAS 5.x either which we'll be moving to shortly.

    Is the IBM J9 JVM a seperate JVM or is it just that you have to turn the J9 JIT on? In this case the j2jit21 java compiler.

    How does one do this in WASD? Is it possible to do this via the WebSphere console for those who don't use WASD but use an IDE to debug WAS via remote debugging?

    A big thanks to both of you for pointing this out. I was told that it wasn't possible in WASD 5.x so that's why I assumed it was the JVM. I do in fact use the debugger, only startup takes a LONG time so System.out.println's can sometimes be faster.

    Bryan Althaus
  28. Thanks to google I have all that I need. Check out this quote from the IBM webpage,
    When hot method replace is enabled, the JIT compiler is also enabled. The JIT compiler used when Hot-method replace is enabled, is much faster than when using normal debugging.
    MUCH FASTER than when using normal debuggging!!! That's what I want. :)

    http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/adiehelp/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.etools.websphere.tools.common.doc/topics/thotcode.html
    Enabling hot method replace for a server

    If you want to make changes to your Java™ classes while you are debugging, you can set this preference by editing the server before you start it. The application or server does not need to be restarted for the changes to be recognized.
    To enable hot method replace for a WebSphere® test environment or server:

       1. In the Server Configuration view, double-click your server to open the server editor.
       2. On the Server page, select the Enable hot method replace in debug mode checkbox.
       3. Save and close the editor.
       4. Start the server in debug mode. When the server is started in debug mode, class file changes will be picked up by the server automatically.

    Note:

        * To debug a stand-alone application using hot method replace, you must use the WebSphere Studio provided JRE found in WS_installdir\eclipse\jre, and you must specify -Xj9 as a VM argument (where WS_installdir is the directory where WebSphere Studio is installed.
        * Hot-method replace cannot be used while profiling an application. When you profile an application, data related to the program's run-time behavior is collected and presented in both graphical and tabular views. Profiling enables you to see which operations take the most time and helps you to find and solve memory leaks. For more information, refer to the Profiling and logging documentation.
        * When using hot method replace to debug servlets, the server will reload a method which is changed. It will not reload the class or reload and reinitialize the servlet.
        * JSP debugging does not support hot method replace.
        * When hot method replace is enabled, the JIT compiler is also enabled. The JIT compiler used when Hot-method replace is enabled, is much faster than when using normal debugging. The JAVA_COMPILER=NONE environment variable and system property -Djava.compiler=NONE to disable the JIT compiler will be ignored if hot method replace is enabled when debugging an application. When hot method replace is enabled, the -Xint option will disable the JIT compiler.

    Adding Java™ VM arguments to a server

    You can add Java VM (Virtual Machine) arguments to a server. The Java VM is an interpretive computing engine responsible for executing the byte codes in a compiled Java program. The JVM translates the Java byte codes into the native instructions of the host machine. The server, being a Java process, requires a JVM in order to run, and to support the Java applications running on it.
    To add Java VM arguments to a server:

       1. In the Server Configuration or the Servers view, double-click your server to open it. The server editor opens:
       2. Click the Environment tab at the bottom of the editor.
       3. Expand the Java VM arguments section.
       4. In the Java VM arguments field, type an argument that you want passed to the Java VM code that starts the server process. For example, you could type -Xdebug to turn on debug.
       5. Save your changes and close the editor.
  29. J9??[ Go to top ]

    This is a perfect example of why IBM software bugs people...

    1) Why isnt JIT enabled by default when debugging? Since that is what 99.99% of people will want. How is "Hot-method" replace relavent?
    2) Why is the command line option -Xj9? Why not something intuitive?

    </gripe>

    -Nick
  30. J9??[ Go to top ]

    This is a perfect example of why IBM software bugs people...1) Why isnt JIT enabled by default when debugging? Since that is what 99.99% of people will want. How is "Hot-method" replace relavent?2) Why is the command line option -Xj9? Why not something intuitive?</gripe>-Nick


    I completely agree that it makes no sense to have two DEBUG modes, one that is useable and won't that isn't. Worse the default is the unuseable one. This is my third place I've consulted at where no one even knew about this!! The last two were WebSphere only shops.

    The "Hot-method" replace is for when you are debugging you add code to a method and continue debugging w/o having to restart the debug session!
  31. What???[ Go to top ]

    I was at the Websphere conference and all the presentations I attended said late 2004 (actually "before the end of the year" was the official statement).

    It's now February 2005, so I guess my colleague had better information after all.

    (Sorry, couldn't resist)
  32. As a matter of fact, there are very little J2EE 1.4 certified servers:

    http://java.sun.com/j2ee/compatibility.html

    IBM certified a developer edition sometime ago. This release is an official production ready release.


    Roland Barcia (IBM)
  33. Axis SOAP stack in WS 6?[ Go to top ]

    Which SOAP stack with ship with WebSphere 6.0? Is it Apache Axis?

    -Frank
  34. If the name is IBM RAD4Java or RAD4WebSphere, it would be very useful to spell.

    Will 6.0 of IBM RAD4Java or RAD4WebSphere include EJB 3.0 and Java 5 (J2SE 1.5/5.0) ?

    Since this is a major release if IBM considers the Java 5 and EJB 3, it would help them to maintain the release gap very easily, otherwise they have to release 6.1 very immediately.

    I am not sure I am posting this information at right place, if anyone knows right place please forward this. Thanks in advance.
  35. Will 6.0 of IBM RAD4Java or RAD4WebSphere include EJB 3.0 and Java 5 (J2SE 1.5/5.0) ?Since this is a major release if IBM considers the Java 5 and EJB 3, it would help them to maintain the release gap very easily, otherwise they have to release 6.1 very immediately.I am not sure I am posting this information at right place, if anyone knows right place please forward this. Thanks in advance.
    WAS 6 supports J2EE 1.4 on a J2SE 1.4.2 JDK.

    EJB 3.0 is many months away yet from having a stable-enough spec to consider in a production appserver release. WAS 6 is a production release and the most-current official level of J2EE is 1.4.

    Randy Schnier
    WebSphere development, but I don't speak for IBM.
  36. When will Websphere support running on JDK 5.0, so features like Generics, JSR-175, Concurrency APIs, <insert favorite Tiger feature here> will be available for apps running on WebSphere?
  37. WAS6 JDK requirement[ Go to top ]

    ... WAS 6 supports J2EE 1.4 on a J2SE 1.4.2 ...
    Would that be any 1.4.2 J2SE or just IBM's like in 5.x?
    And if yes, do you think it would run under jdk 5.0, at least unsupported by IBM?
    You've answered the EJB3 question but didn't elaborate much about the JDK.
    Thanks,
    Alex
  38. WAS6 JDK requirement[ Go to top ]

    Would that be any 1.4.2 J2SE or just IBM's like in 5.x?And if yes, do you think it would run under jdk 5.0, at least unsupported by IBM?You've answered the EJB3 question but didn't elaborate much about the JDK.Thanks,Alex

    Yeah, I should have addressed the JDK question, sorry. The supported J2SE impl varies by platform. For Windows, Linux, AIX and z/OS, it's the IBM implementation. For Solaris it's the Sun one (plus some RMI-IIOP ORB plugability extensions); for HP-UX it's the HP one (plus ORB extensions). Basically, the supported JDK is determined by what JDK the System Test and other internal product qualification processes are run against. When WebSphere is installed, the applicable JDK impl for the given platform is installed at the same time. Running WebSphere on other JDK impls is theoretically possible (it is Java, after all) but not supported or tested. I haven't personally tried it under J2SE 5.0 but there is work going on (as one might expect :) in that area.

    Randy (IBM)
  39. WAS6 JDK requirement[ Go to top ]

    First of all thanks for the clarification, that was my main concern because of the exerience I've had with 5.x. I must admit I was hoping for a different answer though.
    Running WebSphere on other JDK impls is theoretically possible (it is Java, after all) but not supported or tested.
    Well not with WAS 5.x it isn't, all my efforts to run it under something other than the supplied jvm were unsuccessful. What was especially irritating is that the client application using session beans had to use IBM JDK as well.
    I was hoping that the inconvinience of this would be too obvious not to be addressed in WAS6. Too bad :(
    Thanks again for the info.
  40. WAS6 JDK requirement[ Go to top ]

    What was especially irritating is that the client application using session beans had to use IBM JDK as well.I was hoping that the inconvinience of this would be too obvious not to be addressed in WAS6. Too bad :(Thanks again for the info.
    Alex, you're not alone...others have expressed this requirement too, and the ability to run WAS clients on non-IBM JDKs is on the list of high-priority items under consideration for an upcoming WAS service release. Stay tuned.
    Randy
  41. Server Crash - WAS6 JDK requirement[ Go to top ]

    What was especially irritating is that the client application using session beans had to use IBM JDK as well.I was hoping that the inconvinience of this would be too obvious not to be addressed in WAS6. Too bad :(Thanks again for the info.
    Alex, you're not alone...others have expressed this requirement too, and the ability to run WAS clients on non-IBM JDKs is on the list of high-priority items under consideration for an upcoming WAS service release. Stay tuned.Randy

    Randy,

    Any idea if the following bug in the J9 JVM is a high priority? Seems if you are working in WSAD 5.1.1 or 5.1.2, if you enable hot method replace in debug mode and you use the J9 JVM, there is a bug that causes the server to crash on startup:
    http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/forums/dw_expandTree.jsp?thread=32659&forum=275&cat=9&message=2015826#2015826

    Websphere support thinks this probably relates to known issues/defects with the J9 JVM.
  42. Randy,

    Do you have any more recent news on WebSphere support for Java 5? Is that something we can expect in WAS 6.x, or is that a WAS 7 thing? Any chance we will see Java 5 in 2006?

    Here's an off the wall question: We are currently stuck on WAS 5.1 due to vendor application restrictions. Is there a patch or configuration setting to support EL in JSPs, or does that require WAS 6 and JSP 2.0?

    Steve Mitchell
    UMB Bank
  43. Does anyone know what the status is for the production environment release (not the developer release) of websphere application server v6.0?

    According to some documents from IBM (http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=180&context=SSEQTP&uid=swg27004980#1) it was released 12/10/2004, while others (http://www-306.ibm.com/software/info/supportlifecycle/list/w.html) says it was released 02/18/05.

    I'm confused. Does anyone know for sure if it has been released at this point?