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    <title>Support Forums: Message List - Sun fires back over Open Source Java accusations</title>
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        <title>And as if on cue</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1007_3-5165427.html" target="_blank">IBM urges Sun to make Java open source</a>.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:33:26 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:33:26 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:33:26 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Feb 25, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jack Herrington</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Just get the source out there</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I think the first step is to just get the source out there. Make sure the files have the right license, build the distribution media and put it up on the Sun site. Viola. After that you would probably need to build a consortium to fund the Java effort...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:25:32 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:25:32 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 25, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jack Herrington</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Open Source as in Perl, Python, Ruby etc.</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I think we agree. The question, though, is not &quot;what&quot; but &quot;how&quot; - and I really don't believe there are simple sanwers to that question.
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<br>S.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:31:57 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:31:57 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 24, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Simon Phipps</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Open Source as in Perl, Python, Ruby etc.</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[My personal version of the term 'open source Java' is something similar to the dreaded scripting languages. That you could download 'everything Java' from Sun and compile and install it. Simple as that. We can do that today with Perl, Python, Ruby, GCC,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:31:27 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:31:27 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 24, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jack Herrington</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>3</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Responses to &amp;quot;Two followups&amp;quot;</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">I wonder what 'notional value surrendered' means. It sounds too me like Sun</div>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:06:46 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:06:46 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:06:46 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Feb 23, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Simon Phipps</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>4</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Two followups</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I wonder what 'notional value surrendered' means. It sounds too me like Sun wants to hang on to Java to make a better target for takeover bids....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:31:14 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:31:14 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 23, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jack Herrington</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>5</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Not just outsourcing</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[While it's easy as an outside observer to just look at the eventual outcomes, Sun has enough experience of taking existing projects open source to know the issues faced (see www.sunsource.net for more). We have so far resisted the temptation of a hack (a...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:22:03 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:22:03 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:22:03 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Feb 22, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Simon Phipps</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>6</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Sorry, open sourcing not outsourcing</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Heh, heh, Freudian slip. ;-)]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:00:58 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:00:58 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 22, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jack Herrington</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>History of corporate outsourcing</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I don't think that Sun needs to 'make the financial sacrifice' for open sourcing Java. Netscape and IBM have done well be creating consortiums for their support of open source. Given Java's popularity, couldn't the same thing be done? IBM, BEA, Oracle,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:18:03 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:18:03 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 22, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jack Herrington</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>8</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Tiger could be implemented as open source</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I'd've been here sooner to discuss but I was on tour and bandwidth constrained, so thanks for the welcome :-)    It is always exciting getting quoted in the media. It's like listening to hip-hop; you know those samples came from the cited source but...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:31:40 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:31:40 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 22, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Simon Phipps</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>9</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Huh?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[How did:...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:12:10 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:12:10 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jack Herrington</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>10</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Not what was said  (re: What?)</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">Every other major language C, C++, C# (really), Perl, Python, Ruby, etc. have implementations of their </div>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:49:06 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:49:06 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Simon Phipps</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>11</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>What if SUN dies</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">I can't really see a real benefit for SUN controlling J2SE, apart from ensuring that certain functionality that is key to their strategy works well. The source code of Windows that was leaked provided some interesting insight...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:10:22 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:10:22 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 20, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Henrique Steckelberg</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>What if SUN dies</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">I don't really care about Java being open source per s&#xE9;. I just want to be sure my investment in Java remains solid if something happens to SUN (bankruptcy, change of heart, takeover). </div>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:02:44 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 20, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ryan Ho</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>What if SUN dies</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24037</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I don't really care about Java being open source per s&#xE9;. I just want to be sure my investment in Java remains solid if something happens to SUN (bankruptcy, change of heart, takeover). Thje Java desktop on Linux approach seems to be akin to the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:05:12 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:05:12 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 20, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>mschipperheyn</jf:author>
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