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Am refering to OLTP operations. Here again, the primary operation of interest in an end user request. Assuming a component model, wherein there is an entry point service method that is invoked (say, in a SLSB) that provides the...]]> Thu, 29 Apr 2004 03:02:16 -0400 Thu, 29 Apr 2004 03:02:16 -0400 Thu, 29 Apr 2004 03:02:16 -0400 Apr 29, 2004 ramesh loganathan 0 What about distributed transactions and XA ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 Am refering to OLTP operations. Here again, the primary operation of interest in an end user request. Assuming a component model, wherein there is an entry point service method that is invoked (say, in a SLSB) that provides the service that...]]> Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:27:04 -0400 Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:27:04 -0400 Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:27:04 -0400 Apr 28, 2004 Mike Spille 1 What about distributed transactions and XA ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 But you're also sort of dilly-dallying between the single-request perspective and the resource utilization perspective. Your arguments are, forgive me, rather conveniently jumping between the two (or so it seems to me). Be clear when you're...]]> Wed, 28 Apr 2004 03:45:57 -0400 Wed, 28 Apr 2004 03:45:57 -0400 Wed, 28 Apr 2004 03:45:57 -0400 Apr 28, 2004 ramesh loganathan 2 What about distributed transactions and XA ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 Again, no argument when there are coarse grained components with minimal round trips over the course of processing a request. But if there are fine grained components, and in processing one end user request there are multiple network round...]]> Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:16:44 -0400 Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:16:44 -0400 Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:16:44 -0400 Apr 28, 2004 Mike Spille 3 What about distributed transactions and XA ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 ROTFLMAO! Perhaps you should read my blog sometime to see what sort of projects I've been involved in and what the performance aspects were.
I do read your blog Mike. And surely it is is pretty heavy stuff. (But that still doesnt...]]> Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:40:08 -0400 Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:40:08 -0400 Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:40:08 -0400 Apr 27, 2004 ramesh loganathan 4 What about distributed transactions and XA ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 This suggests that you have hardly experienced performance intensive situations in any of your projects :-) ROTFLMAO! Perhaps you should read my blog sometime to see what sort of projects I've been involved in and what the...]]> Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:24:55 -0400 Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:24:55 -0400 Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:24:55 -0400 Apr 26, 2004 Mike Spille 5 What about distributed transactions and XA ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:37:47 -0400 Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:37:47 -0400 Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:37:47 -0400 Apr 25, 2004 ramesh loganathan 6 We'll just disagree, then. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 There are costs ("pitfalls") associated with distributing But there are also benefits, what O disaggree with is painting apicture of just negatives and not providing some form of Devil's Advocae that states the benefits...]]> Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:05:46 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:05:46 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:05:46 -0400 Apr 22, 2004 Calum Shaw-Mackay 0 We'll just disagree, then. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 Note the words "...or indeed anything else....", so it ain't just about objects" . . . or indeed anything else, has a lot more pitfalls than many people realize . . ."

I'm sure you'll agree that's a...]]> Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:52:04 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:52:04 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:52:04 -0400 Apr 22, 2004 Joe Falaschi 1 Distributing databases http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:26:37 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:26:37 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:26:37 -0400 Apr 22, 2004 Tracy Milburn 0 Re: I think not http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 However, distribution of objects, or indeed of anything else, has a lot more pitfalls than many people realize, especially when they’re under the influence of vendors’ cozy brochures. This article is about some of these hard...]]> Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:25:18 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:25:18 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:25:18 -0400 Apr 22, 2004 Calum Shaw-Mackay 2 I think not http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 He says "fine grain good, coarse grain bad, distributed forces coarse grain, distributed slow. Oogah OOgah".

Leaving out the "ooga ooga" that's the net sum of his advice.Um, I'm sorry, but no, I don't...]]> Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:54:10 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:54:10 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:54:10 -0400 Apr 22, 2004 Joe Falaschi 4 Distribution of objects is a Niche http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:10:14 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:10:14 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:10:14 -0400 Apr 22, 2004 Mike Spille 0 Fowler specifically talks about distributed *objects* http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 Um, I don't mean to be coy, but -- did you actually read the article? Not just Dan's straw-man rephrasing, but the actual article? From that article, again, "The primary reason that the distribution by class model doesn?t work has to do...]]> Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:57:33 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:57:33 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:57:33 -0400 Apr 22, 2004 Mike Spille 5 Distribution of objects is a Niche http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25355 Fowler was saying that all distribution across processes is bad and should be avoided at all costs
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I think you are taking fowler too literally here. If he implies not u use distributed objects all the time he does not...]]> Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:22:44 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:22:44 -0400 Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:22:44 -0400 Apr 22, 2004 pratheep p 1