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        <title>it's about testing, not unit testing</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Mike, I agree with most of your comments, although that might sound strange coming from someone who is used to TDD....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:30 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:30 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 10, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Mordred QV</jf:author>
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        <title>About time</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>... Things like supplying constructors for utility classes that only contains static methods, ...</blockquote><br>One of the points of test driven development is to stop you from writing classes that only contain static methods.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 03:47:57 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 03:47:57 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 03:47:57 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Mar 1, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>George Petrov</jf:author>
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        <title>What is a 'UNIT' after all...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Unit testing has more scope than suggested by the article. All that has been said about what the development community must focus on 'is' attainable by unit testing. It all depends on the definition of a 'unit' at the time of testing and the type of test...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:59:13 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:59:13 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:59:13 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 26, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Tareq Ayub</jf:author>
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        <title>Unit Testing</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I think the underlying opinion of the article is sound. <br><br>Unit testing should be viewed as an insurance policy or proof of contract to ensure that modules behave in a deterministic fashion and are devoid of undesired/undocumented side effects....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:21:30 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:21:30 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:21:30 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 24, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Joe H</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>TDD is a load of... Stuff that makes stuff grow?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>All I know is that TDD, fine grain unit testing, and this idea of absolutely, positively needing to test outside of the the container is a load of crap.</blockquote>Maybe for someone who is perfect.  I have lots of examples where is was...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:13:00 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:13:00 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:13:00 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 22, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Mark N</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Too personal?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Maybe I'm a &quot;glass half full kind of guy&quot; but the comments on Martin Fowlers motivations I felt to be a bit unjustified. Looking at people like Richard Stallman who have no monetary motivations what so ever, I'd say key figures in the industry...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:29:42 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:29:42 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 22, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Toby Weston</jf:author>
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        <title>RE: My 2 cents...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>This is all about &quot;testing giving you piece of mind when refactoring&quot;. But does it? How sure can I be that my testsuite is complete in relation to whatever refactoring is going on? How can I even be sure that my test is even...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:03:22 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:03:22 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:03:22 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Henry Rollins</jf:author>
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        <title>Opinion: Don't Let Yourself Get Unitized</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Rod Johnson has never ever devalued J2EE in his life. So whuts the lazy rant thing....u got to tell me why u feel so....and whats the problem with the spring approach. <blockquote>On constructive rants:Rod Johnson wrote a whole book that devalued the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:18:16 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:18:16 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>NullPtr !</jf:author>
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        <title>TDD is a load of...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[All I know is that TDD, fine grain unit testing, and this idea of absolutely, positively needing to test outside of the the container is a load of crap.  I personally never commit any piece of code to CVS that was written for the explicit purpose of...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:16:26 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bill Burke</jf:author>
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        <title>on mike</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Most people who post on here don't possess a sense of humour, they think they do but they don't get irony. <br><br>As for all those people who defend JUnit, get a life and get a professional tool.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:46:27 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Geoff Dinsdale</jf:author>
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        <title>Dev time is not the issue</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I don't have an opinion about TDD or refactoring. But unit tests are very useful. Sure, dev time is slower, but the debug+fix cycle is reduced. In projects I've worked in dev was 3 months, debug+fix was 9 months. When we did unit tests it took a bit...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:42:46 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Amin Mansuri</jf:author>
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        <title>Opinion: Don't Let Yourself Get Unitized</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[On Martin:<br><br>I like Fowler's bliki.  Yet another made-up word like Dependency Injection.  He is a good writer and makes a lot of good insightful points.  Alas his job is to publish or perish which at times means he has to sell the sizzle.  I think...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:26:31 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Andrew Clifford</jf:author>
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        <title>on mike</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Mike asked not to be linked from TSS.<br><br>I will be very (very-very) glad to see Mike's return, but<br>unless something changed, this link is<br>unethical of TSS editors...</blockquote>The Internet is a public place. If you post something...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:55:36 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Cameron Purdy</jf:author>
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        <title>Don't Let Yourself Get Unitized</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[In my view, unit tests do indeed have a value, however it's quite limited.<br><br>Every Java class has certain metric - how must 'external state' does it need. Let's take a proprietary format parser class that takes a string in and populates its fields...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:30:08 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Timur Evdokimov</jf:author>
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        <title>joy of programming</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27456</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Generally the 25% of Unit tests I have seen are quite valuable. Unfortunately corporate development guidelines and the joy of programming can be a very ugly thing if they require you to or lead you to provide a unit test for any piece of...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:26:53 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Paul Holser</jf:author>
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