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        <title>worst nightmare ever</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>he Big Elephant EJB Java Application Servers are the worst nightmares ever to have roamed the earth. Nobody can guess the total cost of all the expensive project disasters. They could very well have been the real culprit behind the recent...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:03:01 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:03:01 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 7, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Juozas Baliuka</jf:author>
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        <title>worst nightmare ever</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[he Big Elephant EJB Java Application Servers are the worst nightmares ever to have roamed the earth. Nobody can guess the total cost of all the expensive project disasters. They could very well have been the real culprit behind the recent recession! 100...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2004 03:08:55 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2004 03:08:55 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 7, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rolf Tollerud</jf:author>
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        <title>Burlap/Hessian + CORBA + SOAP</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Actually, the main point of the article was that avoiding HTTP or any other network protocol entirely is vastly more efficient.  It talked about using a simple XML file format and loading the data directly with a...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2004 02:37:36 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2004 02:37:36 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 7, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Juozas Baliuka</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Web Services != SOAP != XMLSchema</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I'm afraid that I've been coming to the conclusion that SOAP is the biggest problem with web services. Not a problem with SOAP, but with the way it is used. <br><br>A lot of post pro SOAP has been going on about XSD, standards, and code generation;...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:51:59 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:51:59 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:51:59 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Clive Brettingham-Moore</jf:author>
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        <title>most have experience with SOAP whatsoever</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Leon: <i>&quot;It looks like many unhappy experiences with SOAP are coming from using RPC style generated directly from Java bindings, while document/literal style with a well-thought-through XSD and customized XML parsing is a better choice in most...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:17:24 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:17:24 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rolf Tollerud</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Style matters</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Still, SOAP does add value over plain XML/HTTP by explicitly defining operations and bindings. For broadly used services it is important: technically everything you need to know to use a service is in the WSDL and referenced schemas. With plain XML over...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:51:45 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:51:45 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Leon Sverntlof</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Burlap/Hessian + CORBA + SOAP</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Is there a client for PHP or .Net applications for Hessian ?]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:10:08 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>NONE NONE</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Burlap/Hessian + CORBA + SOAP</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Actually, the main point of the article was that avoiding HTTP or any other network protocol entirely is vastly more efficient.  It talked about using a simple XML file format and loading the data directly with a command-line...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:30:41 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Mark N</jf:author>
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        <title>Burlap/Hessian + CORBA + SOAP</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Actually, the main point of the article was that avoiding HTTP or any other network protocol entirely is vastly more efficient.  It talked about using a simple XML file format and loading the data directly with a command-line...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:10:37 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:10:37 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Juozas Baliuka</jf:author>
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        <title>Burlap/Hessian + CORBA + SOAP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>(For the main point of the article, straight XML for a POST/GET is a great solution for many applications, is probably underused, and has the great advantage of not needing any additional frameworks.)</blockquote>Actually, the main point of...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:35:13 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Perrin Harkins</jf:author>
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        <title>I call it &amp;quot;SOAP Light&amp;quot;</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Scott: <i>&quot;(For the main point of the article, straight XML for a POST/GET is a great solution for many applications, is probably underused, and has the great advantage of not needing any additional frameworks.)&quot;</i><br><br>That wraps it up...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:10:18 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:10:18 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rolf Tollerud</jf:author>
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        <title>Burlap/Hessian + CORBA + SOAP</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Anyways, shouldn't hessian be faster than burlap ? theoretically ?&lt;/em&gt;<br><br>&lt;em&gt;Yeap, that is what I expected too. Caucho people, could you explain?&lt;/em&gt;<br><br>It looks like a Hessian implementation issue, not a protocol...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:49:19 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Scott Ferguson</jf:author>
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        <title>Read again my comment...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Yes, if you like XML then you must like XPath too (but I like flat files and awk more for many reasons) and there is nothing wrong to transform it directly to DML, RDBMS doe's not accept unauthorized DML and invalid data anyway (It can be a problem if...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:37:50 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:37:50 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:37:50 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Juozas Baliuka</jf:author>
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        <title>Burlap/Hessian + CORBA + SOAP</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[FYI, Spring's JPetStore sample app contains a similar demo: Its OrderService is exposed through 4 different protocols, namely Hessian, Burlap, Axis, RMI invoker, and Spring's own HTTP invoker. All of them are exported through the various remote exporters...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:43:08 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:43:08 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Juergen Hoeller</jf:author>
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        <title>Read again my comment...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29233</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[... I actually said that I would go on reading the stream sequentially.<br><br>What do I do with the XML I get? It depends. Sometimes, I just keep a DomDocument in memory to play with (I have made a very useful treeview whose model is based on a...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:25:54 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:25:54 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Fran?ois Lemaire</jf:author>
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