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        <title>an example of over-use of annotations?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>If a method is supposed to tell a reader what the method is for/does then test is an essential part of the name. It's no more meta data then any other part of the name. You might as well have a annotation called @Method to set the root part...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[JUnit's goal always was to make writing a test as easy as &quot;adding a debug statement to your code&quot;. We have found that using annotations (as many other test frameworks have done this by now) helps us to simplify JUnit. Both Kent and I were...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Erich Gamma</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I can now see your point that establishing a naming convention for methods (such as test*(void) ) is actually a primordial way of adding meta-data to methods, that is better expressed using annotations. Very...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>valraven smith</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: joining?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Is it time for TestNG to contribute their work and adapt it to JUnit?</blockquote><br>Yes! Of course, this may not be possible, what do I know...<br><br>I can already see the worse-case scenario brewing... the people at Sun decide that unit...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:59:02 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Daniel Gredler</jf:author>
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        <title>joining ?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[For the record, I'm not a TestNG fanboy.  I would think that, as a minimum, you would have to actually use it on a project to qualify as a &quot;fanboy&quot;.  Sadly, I must report that I have not had the opportunity to use it in &quot;the real...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:51:53 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jun 13, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Marc Stock</jf:author>
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        <title>JUnit is pretty bad...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34478</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[JUnit is fine for doing simple static tests, i.e. a test class with testXxx() methods, but try something a little more complex or even just look under the covers.... Ewww.<br><br>No offense to Eric et al, but from what I can see, there's no rhyme or...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:45:27 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jun 13, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bob Lee</jf:author>
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        <title>Assumptions</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Michael, where did I claim to be objective?  Why do you assume I am objective?<br><br>You might also note that you don't have to be a &quot;slashdot kiddie&quot; to have an opinion that something sucks, and say so.  If you prefer &quot;objective&quot;...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>Jun 13, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Mike Spille</jf:author>
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        <title>joining ?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[From one TestNG fanboy <blockquote>...JUnit sucks in it's current form. </blockquote> and now this fanboy:<br><blockquote>JUnit has sucked for a very, very long time.  </blockquote><br>Yeah, real objective.  That's usually when I stop reading, another...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>Jun 13, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Michael O'Keefe</jf:author>
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        <title>Don't oversell this thing...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I prefer &#x20ac; ;)]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:17:44 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jun 13, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Achwamabat Machmabalamat</jf:author>
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        <title>Don't oversell this thing...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I agree. Still, I feel there are &quot;issues&quot; with thisparticular form of presentation @root.</blockquote>Are you talking about the syntax for annotations (using the @ sign)?<br><br>-- <br>Cedric]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:10:56 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Cedric Beust</jf:author>
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        <title>Don't oversell this thing...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I agree. Still, I feel there are &quot;issues&quot; with this<br>particular form of presentation @root.]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[Actually, I would claim strongly that many people stuck their necks out to shore up JUnit.  Many of the tools written on top of JUnit also go a long way to fix fudnamental JUnit problems.<br><br>I also think for a long time people looked to Beck et al to...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Mike Spille</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I see it as a fairly simple situation.  JUnit has sucked for a very, very long time.</blockquote><br>...so badly that no one stuck their necks out to create a replacement for how many years?<br><blockquote>It's &quot;design&quot; (quotes very...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Paul Holser</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[I see it as a fairly simple situation.  JUnit has sucked for a very, very long time.  It's &quot;design&quot; (quotes very intentional) is based more on dogma than the real needs of developers, and it's awkward to use in the small and scales horribly to...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Mike Spille</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Is it time for TestNG to contribute their work and adapt it to JUnit ?Apart those very tech. details floating around whatever annotation syntax, and the 'we were there first' claims throwned in contrast of early JUnit 4 work (that...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>Jun 13, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Mike Cornell</jf:author>
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