Support Forums: Message List - Where did the hyper-enthusiasts go? http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Tue, 21 May 2013 07:03:01 -0400 Smart people get bored easily... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187 From seeing quite a few of these hyper-enthusiasts speak over the past couple years, I've never really got the impression that they've abadoned Java. They've simply found something "new" and exciting to play with that isn't Java...]]> Sun, 01 Jan 2006 08:15:31 -0500 Sun, 01 Jan 2006 08:15:31 -0500 Sun, 01 Jan 2006 08:15:31 -0500 Jan 1, 2006 Ted Neward 0 Smart people get bored easily... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187 Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:03:49 -0500 Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:03:49 -0500 Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:03:49 -0500 Dec 24, 2005 Robert Hayes 1 Sun these days is a convinient place to hide away http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187 I only want to give Java a last kick on the way down. After all I am only human!RegardsRolf Tollerud
As by all the statistics you have in the passed used to measure Java's use and market penetration, Java is on the way...]]> Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:50:35 -0500 Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:50:35 -0500 Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:50:35 -0500 Dec 24, 2005 Steve Zara 0 Sun these days is a convinient place to hide away http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187 :1) They have not done a complete implementation.Some small things was left but Netscape had not done all either (for example Java Remote Method Invocation classes). But Netscape were not sued.
Strange logic. It is OK for...]]> Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:46:27 -0500 Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:46:27 -0500 Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:46:27 -0500 Dec 24, 2005 Steve Zara 0 I'm not following. Was I supposed to? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187 Who..what..when...where? So you're now blaming the browser for Sun's failures? Hilarious.Uh. No. Re-read what I wrote.

A. Not the browser.
B. Not all failures.
C. Not all "blame".

Try to think...]]> Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:20:10 -0500 Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:20:10 -0500 Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:20:10 -0500 Dec 24, 2005 Mark N 0 But you ordered gravy on your ice cream! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187 Yes, the failure of Java on the desktop lies completely with Sun. Although Sun seems to be taking Swing a bit more seriously these days, there was that stretch around 2001-2003 that they had all but given up on anything desktop related....]]> Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:49:59 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:49:59 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:49:59 -0500 Dec 23, 2005 Frank Bank 1 Is bruce a great developer? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:58:41 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:58:41 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:58:41 -0500 Dec 23, 2005 qin zhang 0 Sun these days is a convinient place to hide away http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187 About (a)"designing a JVM incompatible with the one developed by Sun" As I have showed above, they added to it not changed.
You didn't showed me nothing. You wrote that, you didn't show jackshit.

RMI isn't...]]> Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:16:29 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:16:29 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:16:29 -0500 Dec 23, 2005 James Watson 0 Sun these days is a convinient place to hide away http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187 I only want to give Java a last kick on the way down. Let us know how hot it is when you get down there. :)]]> Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:08:42 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:08:42 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:08:42 -0500 Dec 23, 2005 Mark N 0 Sun these days is a convinient place to hide away http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187
"designing a JVM incompatible with the one developed by Sun"

As I have showed above, they added to it not changed.

And about the rest you must be joking,(b)(c)(d) is done every day by every company on...]]> Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:59:14 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:59:14 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:59:14 -0500 Dec 23, 2005 Rolf Tollerud 3 Sun and Java stands for bureaucracy http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187 The long and short of it is, if older and more experienced folk are in a position to guard some knowledge from the young and talented they will do so. They exaggerate and hyperbole what they know to inflate their egos and protect against...]]> Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:27:20 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:27:20 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:27:20 -0500 Dec 23, 2005 Tero Vaananen 0 Sun these days is a convinient place to hide away http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187 "They modified the JVM in a way that made it incompatible with the standards"What hypocrisy. Sun turned their rotten act into that MS was the villain. MS was accused of two breaches of contract:1) They have not done a complete...]]> Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:05:56 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:05:56 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:05:56 -0500 Dec 23, 2005 James Watson 4 I will tell you what http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187 The IDEs and tools like source safe are sub standard today, and sometimes piss poor for what they were meant to do. In many areas .NET is just light years behind Java, and there is no way around that fact. And at every turn, you pay, and you...]]> Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:07:18 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:07:18 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:07:18 -0500 Dec 23, 2005 Mark N 0 But you ordered gravy on your ice cream! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187 Yes, the failure of Java on the desktop lies completely with Sun. Although Sun seems to be taking Swing a bit more seriously these days, there was that stretch around 2001-2003 that they had all but given up on anything desktop related....]]> Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:58:23 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:58:23 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:58:23 -0500 Dec 23, 2005 Mark N 2 Where did the hyper-enthusiasts go? RE Annotation let down, http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38187
I am curious... Why don't you like the implementation?
The two things that bug me most are:

1. No proper mechanism for overriding annotations at runtime, despite the fact that just about any framework that uses...]]> Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:06:41 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:06:41 -0500 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:06:41 -0500 Dec 23, 2005 Rod Johnson 0