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    <title>Support Forums: Message List - Tech Talk: Ted Neward on Web Services and Security</title>
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        <title>great interview</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39757</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, one important thing was overlooked in the interview: the current stack of WS standards is hideously complicated and bloated beyond belief. You practically have to put a gun to programmers heads to make them do WS stuff. Most of the OASIS...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:29:36 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 6, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>jilles van gurp</jf:author>
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        <title>Message == protocol</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[check out Flexbuilder beta 2, ActionScript 3.0 implements the e4x as well as all(most? can't remember) of the latest ecma std.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:11:42 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 5, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jin Chun</jf:author>
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        <title>Message == protocol</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39757</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Here is another totally different idea.  Would it be useful to define a language (maybe just a scripting language) that used the XML Schema types as the built-in types?  If it was a language that was primarily focused at working...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:13:32 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 5, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>George Coller</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: I hear ya</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39757</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Show me a real world example with the HTTP/S jumping you're talking about -- does this jumping take place on the Wild Wild Web or behind firewalls? Come on, as I said, locking down the network is something that IT departments do, not Java...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:29:31 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 5, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Will Hartung</jf:author>
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        <title>I hear ya</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39757</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[He &quot;damns&quot; REST seems a bit harsh.<br><br>Show me a real world example with the HTTP/S jumping you're talking about -- does this jumping take place on the Wild Wild Web or behind firewalls? Come on, as I said, locking down the network is...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:50:43 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 5, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Scott Stirling</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Ted's REST Comments</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39757</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[He damns REST because REST requires HTTP. SOAP does not. SOAP can use anything. <br><br>He damns HTTPS for security because it only secures the transport of the message, not the message itself. This is fine if you're running the same protocol all the way...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:24:53 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 4, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Will Hartung</jf:author>
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        <title>Message == protocol</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39757</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Having worked with EDIFACT and ISO messages in the past I wonder why one needs to reinvent the wheel. Message protocols have been successful in many domains for years without Java, OO, RPC and XML. Just use the existing standardized message...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:18:29 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 4, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rashid Jilani</jf:author>
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        <title>Interview from year 2005. Floyd Marinescu interviewed Ted.</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39757</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Ted Neward says 2005.<br><br>Look like Floyd Marinescu interviewed Ted Neward.<br><br>2005 interview is only 1-year old in 2006. Therefore, readers: you can still read and watch this interview. It is ok. Go ahead.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:40:23 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 4, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Sujan J20</jf:author>
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        <title>Message == protocol</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Here is another totally different idea.  Would it be useful to define a language (maybe just a scripting language) that used the XML Schema types as the built-in types?  If it was a language that was primarily focused at working with xml, web...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:22:47 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 4, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Erik Onnen</jf:author>
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        <title>READ THIS COMPLETE TRANSCRIPT (so easy - no cries anymore)</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39757</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[4. You mentioned that messaging approach as opposed to RPC approach opens up web services for many new use cases and scenarios. Can you talk about some of those?<br><br>Well, one of the things that the messaging approach opens up, for example, and this...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:12:17 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 4, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Sujan J20</jf:author>
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        <title>READ THIS COMPLETE TRANSCRIPT (so easy - no cries anymore)</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39757</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[1. Tell us about yourself and what are you working on?<br><br>My name is Ted Neward. I am an independent consultant and mentor, architect, speaker, author, and whole bunch of other stuff. General prognosticator of rabid opinions in both the Java and .NET...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:11:53 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 4, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Sujan J20</jf:author>
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        <title>Message == protocol</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39757</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-357.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-357.htm</a><br><br>I believe this is implemented in ActionScript 3.0 (Flex 2) as well.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:31:12 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 4, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jin Chun</jf:author>
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        <title>design methodology impedance mismatch as well?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39757</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I thought the talk was informative.  What does this line of thinking say about design methodologies?  It seems that not only is there a XML/Object (hierarchical/inheritance) impedance mismatch, but also a mismatch from a methodology perspective....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:10:17 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 4, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Brad Neighbors</jf:author>
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        <title>Message == protocol</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39757</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote> The funny part is that so much time was spent copying Corba when it failed to capture mind share.  If at first you don't succeed, change up your protocols and try again.  When I say failure here I mean that it isn't popular not that it isn't...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:29:05 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 4, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Konstantin Ignatyev</jf:author>
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        <title>Thank you</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39757</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[You're right, thanks! I don't even have RealPlayer and I was able to get to the transcript as you suggested.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:08:34 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 4, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Scott Stirling</jf:author>
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