Support Forums: Message List - Ilya Sterin on XML Persistence http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Wed, 22 May 2013 07:48:22 -0400 Re: Ilya Sterin on XML Persistence http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42008 Let me remind that SOA is ‘architectural concept’ and it has been in use for a long time before current marketers tied it to XML. I would say that majority of Service Oriented Systems today are _not_ XML based....]]> Sat, 02 Sep 2006 21:45:59 -0400 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 21:45:59 -0400 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 21:45:59 -0400 Sep 2, 2006 Ilya Sterin 0 Re: Ilya Sterin on XML Persistence http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42008 ...]]> Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:04:37 -0400 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:04:37 -0400 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:04:37 -0400 Sep 2, 2006 Konstantin Ignatyev 1 Re: Ilya Sterin on XML Persistence http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42008
I've used Java's built-in XMLEncoder/XMLDecoder for persisting to XML files with great success.

Many Java objects get persisted without any effort and where effort is required it generally amounts to adding a...]]> Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:20:07 -0400 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:20:07 -0400 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:20:07 -0400 Sep 2, 2006 Ilya Sterin 0 Re: Ilya Sterin on XML Persistence http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42008 Hi Ilya

This is Mansoor from UAE, could you please tell me whether the XML Persistence can satisfy all transactional requirements of a complex usecase such as create,search,detlet,modify,etc. in a master-detail scenario? At present I...]]> Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:16:31 -0400 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:16:31 -0400 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:16:31 -0400 Sep 2, 2006 Ilya Sterin 0 Re: Ilya Sterin on XML Persistence http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42008 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:28:25 -0400 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:28:25 -0400 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:28:25 -0400 Sep 2, 2006 Mohamed Salihu Mansoor 1 Re: Ilya Sterin on XML Persistence http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42008
I've used Java's built-in XMLEncoder/XMLDecoder for persisting to XML files with great success.

Many Java objects get persisted without any effort and where effort is required it generally amounts to adding a few public...]]> Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:16:56 -0400 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:16:56 -0400 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:16:56 -0400 Sep 2, 2006 Jess Holle 1 Re: Ilya Sterin on XML Persistence http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42008 Ilya, I base my conclusion about your confusion on your words:
...]]> Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:42:34 -0400 Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:42:34 -0400 Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:42:34 -0400 Sep 1, 2006 Ilya Sterin 2 Re: Ilya Sterin on XML Persistence http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42008 I don't, I think you're misunderstanding the benefits of XML technologies. ...]]> Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:44:22 -0400 Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:44:22 -0400 Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:44:22 -0400 Sep 1, 2006 Konstantin Ignatyev 3 Re: Ilya Sterin on XML Persistence http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42008 IMO in many cases RDBMS are better choice for persisting data. And sometimes LDAP, and sometimes filesystem, and sometimes plain text.
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What do you think about persisting data in native XML databases/file stores.


I think it is the essential ingredient to help winning the 'inefficiency' contest: who will make things the most inefficient,...]]> Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:03:55 -0400 Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:03:55 -0400 Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:03:55 -0400 Sep 1, 2006 Tero Vaananen 0